The Timewave with it's end point December 21, 2012, describes with as great an accuracy as I am able to discern the actual vicissitudes of novelty and habit in history and natural history. We're not okay if we're right two-thirds of the time, so we have to be right all of the time. I think I saw a skunk ape – debunked. I can tell what there is to know about the mckennical brainwash targeting alienated sociopathy and character disorder in the psychedelic subculture. Some say that eating magic mushrooms could have been part of an, Other proponents of the theory claim that eating magic mushrooms could be a culturally inherited behaviour. Some leading archaeologists have proposed that altered states of consciousness inspired some of these ancient cave paintings, although the influence of psychedelics is not certain when it comes to the oldest caves that show possible signs of a kind of religion or quasi-religion. those food sources allow increase human reproduction and increased densities. A Stoned Ape Theory is a very serious intellectual collective dedicated to bringing you wholesome fun designs for the entire family. Anonymous here above does ring a bell. TM: I submit to you and to the world … the fact that – yes. An epigenetic process is when an environmental stimulus (e.g. These thoughts are not forgotten. 3. This will NEVER happen because of the illegality of these compounds. In such instances TM ended up gamely 'confessing' (i.e. I can tell on mckennism top to bottom, detail every single strand in his massive web of deception – now being spun in his ‘honor’ further, further – by those ‘inspired’ by such thought control. You might as well enjoy the condition your condition is in. Leaving poor distraught Terence to flee in distress, his mind shattered by a mere word of sanity and meaning – unbearable stuff. Its pretty intriguing – how those parroting Terence's claims in his name (amen) – never quote Fischer’s pubs. Not for me though, I'm okay with that. To answer this question, it will be useful to look at the assumptions that McKenna makes. That goes double for research TM pinned that claim on. Yup, it's Jan Irvin for sure. A Stoned Ape Theory. Not mutually exclusive, but the latter seems more complex than ordinary trading behavior. appropriating my name) – to concoct a ‘I’m Brian Akers, and I’m a McKenna Fan!” post – I feel like Flounder from ANIMAL HOUSE sometimes, ‘This is great’ – but, you be the judge http://archive.is/3PKRC. There is no support for it in evidence, or in theory. Language is inherently synesthetic because it involves attributing meaning to mouth noises. In theory, these events took place around 100,000 BCE. Stoned ape theory is debunked Zeuzzz. Well well, that explains a few things. Never again would he give science (that self-infatuated pig) a chance to help a Bard so Brilliant, to 'develop' his 'theories.'. The first signs of ‘religion’, if it can even be called that, would be found in the cave art of Europe, dating back to 40,000 years ago. Showing all 0 items Jump to: Summaries. It looks like we don't have any Plot Summaries for this title yet. Advances are made. One plausible way to explain this phenomenon would be increased edge detection. July 18, 2017. Once early Humans started using psychedelics regularly they opened up the channel into their own creativity. Good luck to parrots far and wide. spell, as cast. I want to to say in clear terms that you understand that your Stoned Ape Theory has been totally debunked. the criticism is that all Mckenna's theories have a whole long chain of assumptions have no evidence. This change in gene expression could have been advantageous for our ancestors. The guy taught the world about magic mushrooms and much more. I would be shocked if stoned ape theory was correct on all examples, for instance i KNOW i wouldnt go hunting on shrooms, no way im shooting an arrow at a…..bison or whatever while im high. The Terence Effect (90% loss of rational better purpose, and reality-interest orientiation) – parades in the 'lively discussion' about stoned apes – right in plain view for all to see. Made-up or concocted stories about 'researchers discovered visual acuity …' blah blah – that ain't no data. We may have needed a larger brain for the purposes of living in a complex society, for gaining a greater capacity in memory, for developing language – or a combination of all these factors working together. Sarah Sloat . Whence it fell upon brainwashed bots to 'go forth' and advance the mission – like all the king's horses and all the king's men. If you have every done mushrooms or acid you know that during an extensive part of the trip you are more agile, your timing is better, reflexes are peaked, stamina is maxed, adrenaline is pumping and mentally how aware you are of your surroundings, that eventually fades though and you enter the deep part of the high at that point you will be pretty useless but thats on a heavy dose, on a low dose dependent on tolerance you get the benefits without the confusion. So as 'theories' go this one comes out like - a forged Rembrandt. Once its 'bait' is 'taken' - one is in effect 'reeled in' and 'on the line' - permanently, converted world without end - amen. Ignorance is obviously bliss for you. Tweet: 19 replies, 1771 views. Could be. Showing all 0 items Jump to: Summaries. How many µg/kg? We might suppose that psychedelic experiences improved the psychological health of our ancestors and promoted pro-social behaviour, effects which have been verified by modern research. A sensible, well-informed comment on this 'stoned apes' biz. COULD AN OWL GET STONED? (It is more accurate to call the Stoned Ape Theory a hypothesis – it is not technically a scientific theory since it is speculative and not substantiated by evidence.). If you had only snacked on one mushroom you found in the woods you might be good to go hunting, although maybe not with modern firearms. The only critique is that we have no hard evidence. And – congratulations on knowing the script. What isn't and can't be either, is no idea. The 'Stoned Ape' Theory Might Explain Our Extraordinary Evolution. That’s all it takes. Haven't we heard these lines before? The heroes of such a theory inherit superpowers of parroting the line "is too a theory (just a theory)" – accurately as any stoned aping bots. There is no evidence that early or proto-humans ate psychoactive mushrooms. Even the most wrathfully distempered crybaby can’t hold up his head off his tear-stained pillow – forever. Good question: By anal expulsive howlings, as one hears emanating from the Screaming Abyss – stranded down there, no way out, like stranded castaways on an uncharted desert isle, like Gilligan's Heroes – hope for some rescue someday might spring eternal. Its Un-disprovability doctrine is a key wrong note hardblown in its tinhorn broadcast throughout the McKennasphere – for missionary ambitions of its 'gospel.'. Posted on 2021/01/29 under Articles, Featured, Science. This stuff is so complex, endogenous, and in my opinion clearly designed to help us. Welcome to reality, the world at large – not so dark as that dank circus tent. Visual acuity is how clearly you can see things. That’s the difference I discover in between your basic 2 year old brat – and TM’s maenads. And he sure tossed off ‘science says’ lines in that authoritative-sounding voice he spoke in (like you, Mr 'How Science Works') – talking crap like: “Orthodox evolutionary theory tells us small adaptive advantages eventually become genetically scripted into a species” – OMNI interview, (Earth to weirdo: that’s what Lamarck thought. I just realized that Brian has been actively commenting on this thread for 4 YEARS… Brian, are you okay? Pretty fascinating if you ask me. theoretical predictions are good when they make a prediction and then you find evidence by following the prediction. In their study, what they actually discovered was that psilocybin changes perception, not visual acuity or edge detection – the drug changes how things look, not how clearly they are defined. Total Posts: 9611. You see shamanic cave paintings appear all around the world right around the same time.... All the evidence for taking control of the self through nature is all there. No jewelry, no burials, no cave art, only the most primitive of stone tools with no innovation of their tools or culture for 200,000 years. Its just the position he put himself in telling so many falsehoods, especially that far off from the truth - about something so easily fact checked, by simply reading an article. All's well that goes well, and the temperature's Goldilocks-perfect for me. That stoned apes is even a 'theory' – is substantively erroneous, not even true. Since his death in 2000 the theory has been largely overlooked by scholars, meanwhile evidence for its plausibility has been amassed within various scientific disciplines. To try and add some more plausibility to McKenna’s theory, Dennis McKenna (Terence’s brother) has proposed that psilocybin could have caused synesthesia in our ancestors. To one with a certain sense of warped humor, it might be amusing – almost. He only meant to "get drugs insinuated into a scenario of human origins" (as he put it) http://deoxy.org/t_mondo2.htm. How do you figure he was full of shit? I can only tell the truth by talk – to show I'm right takes others, to model the walk And you've demonstrated by volunteer example – the exact form, precisely as I've discovered it. There is a strong sense of anger in his writing. By Mike Sygula / Truth Theory Filmmaker Ben Stewart, who created the iconic documentaries Kymatica and Esoteric Agenda, shares his new film that looks into the science behind the […] Read more. the greater densities allows more ideas bouncing of more people. One question for me is that if psychedelics were the trigger, why did it take 160,000 years for people to discover them? The argument basically consists of: “If this is possible, then so is this, and this, and this, etc.” McKenna’s hypothesis is undoubtedly imaginative, creative and compelling, but each of his assumptions begs the question: where is the evidence? Hominids all diverged from common ancestors, but Homo sapiens more radically so. The most base term for visual acuity is sharpness of vision. Cool, maaan. Much like TM's other capers (his most notorious brain-scramble being that Y2K12 fiasco). Trying to put poor Terrential schmoerizing back together again – along with a Bard's 'good name' and reputation (among his little band of merry men). The reason being is to try and substantiate some of TM's claims would require a prolonged and exhaustive study into the effects of these compounds on the human brain. However, whilst I certainly feel that my world view has been changed by these experiences, I doubt it has raised my IQ or made me hornier. 17 Answers. Replies to this discussion thread . Turns out, behind the phoney idea, there actually is a real idea there after all – an ulterior one. By flunking criteria for what constitutes an idea in the first place (could be right, or wrong) – stoned apes falls short of status even as an idea – categorically. As an emergency ‘first alert’ responder to – crisis in the McKennasphere (Brian Akers speaking) – no doubt that’s as fast as you can go, with your best show for – Terence. Back then it was just for hardcore Bible literalists. 'Might just be more than stoner logic'? The more steps you have evidence for and the stronger the evidence, the stronger your confidence and reliance can and should be in that theory. Then no matter what may happen your toes can still be tappin' – like mine. Funny, he never said. He'd had time to notice how evolutionary pseudoscience can be debunked - without being phased - by the example set the decade before, 1970s, courtesy of Sciencey creationism, the original and founding brand of evolutionary pseudoscience. Also, Frank was surprised that no one really is talking about one other element meant for Season 3 here: Not one. The Terence's Witnesses make a fine 'high' value demo on parade, displaying the 'merits' of 'this thing' – as T Himself McKenna liked calling his fraudulent theorizing rodeo dough road show. TM gleefully details his m.o. Its detrimental effects display, even parade – in how the 'resonance' psychologically cripples its followers, to the extent of their personal fervor (which varies case by case). But to prove in evidence the entirety of what I say – takes help. Question: When did German officials become afraid to criticize Hitler? Why don't you chill me out, if that's what "you need to"? NO. Because it defies everything known about evolution top to bottom. Entheogens occur naturally all over the world. Hill & Roland Fischer, 1971). I am experienced with psychodelics, huge doses, ego death and all, and I still say McKenna is full of s***. ("And You Can't Disprove It!") There also are other ways to alter one’s consciousness. Like clockwork – mckennically geared. In his book Food of the Gods (1992), Terence McKenna describes one of his many controversial ideas. Stages of grief being what they are – we all know the drill – first Shock! If our ancestors ingested the mushroom, they would be using their brain in new ways, thinking new thoughts. True, he and his gulls certainly exalt him as some expert . Despite this, it remains a compelling argument to consider in relation to a question that may never get a definite answer. Right? Changes happen epigenetically and by teaching each successive generation the new ways. But at least we get a great case study from it. Reference (below) u/edwardshallow - "TM explaining why he was creating the story - to legitimise psychedelics in a way that would carry research forward. Because they came from different perspectives, arrived to different (but similar) results. Alas. Real ones not fabricated from lies. Close. Um, what ‘low dose’? It actually operates as brainwash, based on study of its effects. Why else would someone that knows so much about this topic be so vehemently against it? That its not even a 'possibility' nor a 'theory' - D.O.A. As Clever Terence Ever The Witty put it – "It beats honest work. He just snorted and chuckled. From that day forward, far as the Mackster was concerned, science would pay the price for its defiance of the Bard's will – its denial of his honors as demanded. Facts News. Discovering errors – and correcting them is how science advances. "Its just an idea" – no, its not even that. Btw, for comparison - can that one be 'disproved'? Posted: 23 January 2013 17:52 . Be the first to contribute! It also appears that McKenna misrepresented the findings of Fischer and Hill. The former relies on settlement patterns that we see throughout human history, the latter relies on the fast spread of what would really have constituted a mystery religion. The Stoned Ape Theory states that we as humans became intelligent life-forms because of the introduction of psilocybin mushrooms in our diet centuries ago. All I need do is note, factually and truthfully – what Fischer et alia's work really says – in plain view right there on the page (as opposed to Terence's 'Version of Events'). & it worked.". “Stoned apes” indeed – such a lively sense of humor. Best content yourself with the Terrential fairy tales about Fischer's work, in service to 'stoned apes' – in Terence's name (amen) – as endlessly broadcast throughout the McKennasphere, by its spellbound bots. as one might call it. Simply said, the first time was easily one of the top five most brain-altering and intense experiences of my life. These 'theories' that apparently don't need evidence, and aren't based in any -insisting they be 'seriously considered' even as they resist (excusing themselves from criticism) – are something else. I think our evolution has been very much affected by intelligent forces from various sides, certainly the psychedelic intelligences. The first cannot explain certain phenomena that the later can, which doesn't make Newton wrong. Just click the "Edit page" button at the bottom of the page or learn more in the Plot Summary submission guide. Stoned aping makes sciencey creationists look honest by comparison. 219 likes. It looks like we don't have a Synopsis for this title yet. What a great line. McKenna was a huge enthusiast of magic mushrooms, which may explain why he was keen to attribute to them an influence in our evolutionary past. Circumstantial, we have an extremely compelling case for Stoned Ape. That goes to the deep dark heart of stoned aping's deadliest self-inflicted foundation wound - its 'counterfeit Rembrandt' problem. Wow it’s amazing how someone who has nothing of their own to offer always illicets base jealousy . ", But hurray for choir practice, bravura recitation from the peanut gallery. In addition, it may seem obvious that an increase in sexual arousal will lead to more sex, but this is not necessarily true. Just click the "Edit page" button at the bottom of the page or learn more in the Plot Summary submission guide. Never to get thru the anger – to reach grief’s so-called Final Stage – “Acceptance.” Call it sad call it funny – but it’s better than even money for those caught in the web woven by that darn bard – with his mckennical thought control capers. Sooner or later even the worst – cries himself to sleep, at very least. All I can do single handedly is in the dept of talk, not walk. McKenna asserts that if our ancestors ate a low dose of magic mushrooms, then they would have an increase in visual acuity or edge detection ability, and therefore be more successful at hunting. Same with TMac's story-telling (then the Logos told me "Terence, look in the I Ching" etc). Ideas that smugly defy the very premises of scientific understanding, disqualify themselves from ever having any validity. TIL of The Stoned Ape Theory, which is a controversial theory from Terence McKenna which states that a lot of our advanced human evolution came as a result of the ingestion of psilocybin mushrooms, also known as magic mushrooms by our primate ancestors. Took you a whole – four days? A hallmark of the thinking style of those on mushrooms is the fluid connecting of ideas and concepts, events and feelings, seeing relationships that were invisible before. 12,192 notes. Sic semper sickness, forever helplessly hopeless – world without end. As Art Bell did. So, it was CONSCIOUSLY PROPAGANDA …” (http://deoxy.org/t_mondo2.htm). Fans can't quote the research, they've never even read it. Childish stuff. McKenna seems to have been quite an overgrown baby – and that was his 'peter pan appeal' – voila, his ardent cult. See more ideas about psychedelic, terence mckenna, psychedelic art. But to ease your mind so distressed, be assured – I'm thermally comfy, all's well here. In any case, there is simply no evidence of religion existing at the time of brain size doubling, nor for over a million years after that time, so it is pure speculation to say that our ancestors were tripping during this period and that this led to the birth of religion. To prove what I say is accurately perceptive and informed – takes show and tell, both. Mar 30, 2016 - All about the Stoned Ape Theory of Evolution of Human Consciousness. Right – o really! Throwing a tantrum can be exhausting. The "Stoned Ape theory" is a specific idea for how human intelligence might have appeared from earlier hominids. It can't even be a fallacy much less an 'idea' – as Stent tried breaking it to the Bard, far back as 1971, that day When Terence Met Gunther. Held up to the light – it all 'adds up.'. kureisan28:. Since his death in 2000 the theory has been largely overlooked by scholars, meanwhile evidence for its plausibility has been amassed within various scientific disciplines. I canbe contacted at timothy.lazenby@dur.ac.uk, Thanks for the youtube link it was interesting and i didnt roll my eyes once (seriously)! Such 'ideas' are equally incoherent – except as a modus operandi, transparent as a cheap lace curtain. Humans have always been this, & didn't evolve. Its incredible, these people completely miss the point. In one 'smile, you're on candid camera' moment he was asked "Why did you write FOOD OF THE GODS." I am confident in this idea, however. The chimp could tell us what tripping was like. What a weird universe, imagine that … my mind is blown. And as Flounder put it, in ANIMAL HOUSE: "This is great!". 4 years ago. From this, he claims that if our ancestors consumed high doses of the hallucinogen they would be more likely to reproduce, and therefore pass on their genes. and note use of psychedelics could still be mixed in here. So you copied/pasted yourself here – http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/01/stoned-ape-theory-might-be-more-than-just-stoner-logic/. Having personally taken DMT on 53 occasions, I can report that this does actually give you a sense of the divine, something that was reported widely in Dr. Straussmans study (DMT The Spirit molecule). That's not all bad – for annals of psychopathology, good study fodder. Signature: _____ The Stoned Ape Hypothesis: A Contemporary Reappraisal 3 Abstract In 1992 Terrence McKenna proposed a theory of human evolution which he called “The Stoned Ape Hypothesis”. We all witness the effects this kind of 'oh boy' brainwash has on flies caught in its silky web. The Stoned Ape Theory Of Human Evolution. None of the mechanisms that you claim exist actually exist. Nor is it a hypothesis – by definition that's based in preliminary data that raise questions. And if you don't believe, all you need do is – ask. Once you spend enough time in the spirit world you come to realize it's the fountain from which all human creativity flows. And for those aboard the Stoned Ape Express – that’s as far as it goes, no ‘furthur’ – that’s where it gets stuck – stays – rage. This entire low-life group around Comet are all suspect. As stoned apes is - really something. Signature: _____ The Stoned Ape Hypothesis: A Contemporary Reappraisal 3 Abstract In 1992 Terrence McKenna proposed a theory of human evolution which he called “The Stoned Ape Hypothesis”. McKenna – and others who support his Stoned Ape Theory – might be inclined to believe his argument relating to visual acuity because, under the influence of psilocybin, it may feel like you can see objects more clearly. Joe Rogan and Michael Pollan on Terrence McKenna's Stoned Ape Theory. #graham hancock #stoned ape theory #terrance mckenna #joe rogan #anomadinlimbo. Welcome to your permanent state, as thought programmed. Who wouldn't be spellbound instantly, forever by such 'genius' – not only right, but unable to be wrong – ever? Dude you need to chill out, no need to write paragraphs of rage.Too many "scientists" or "intellectuals" going off is hilarious.You write like Terence is the incarnation of evil even though he clearly wasn't. Well, whaddya know? Kennt Ihr die „Stoned Ape Theory Of Evolution“ von Terence McKenna? You might as well try curing jihadists, or Heaven's Gators. – the act is 'we're not fanatics, we're not saying its definitely proven true (voila, that proves we're not cultic moths drawn to some charismatic creep's flame). Answer Save. Where’s the anger coming from, Brian? That is open for speculation. to Paraphrase one of Mckenna's arguments: psilocybin gave early hominds better visual accuity, if they could see better then they would hunt better, if they could hunt better then they would eat more, if they could eat more, they would survive better. I think you looking in the wrong sub dude, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The ‘brainwash’ recipe sure work, but all I can do is read it – tell. It’s so obvious these freaks love fucking little kids, yet the mainstream liars forever say it’s all been officially debunked. And nobody ever questioned, just went ‘wow, wow.' eating a certain quantity of magic mushrooms) changes how genes are expressed, as opposed to changes being made in the gene sequence itself. There are many great McKenna interviews and lectures on YouTube, like this one and this one. Directly questioned (under oath) it explodes in adamant indignation, 'how dare you' incorrigibility and aggression. Bought it hook line and sinker. or merely 'debunked' and disproven, in effect becomes 'unthinkable' literally, for those drawn into its 'could be (...?)' Stoned ape theory - great appeal and intuitive strength? Reply to this thread. Archived. But a controversial alternative theory is gaining ground. Like Fukushima – that stuff doesn’t cool down, the heat doesn’t dissipate. Just like FOOD OF THE GODS – where it'll be hard to 'transform' what Terence wrote, to match what Fischer's work really says. So – thanks for helping out – right on cue. However, Terence McKenna, was certainly NOT ignorant; Terence was EXPERIENCED. Well no its not possible, despite its party line. specialization allows for greater targeted ideas and experimentation. McKenna also remarked in an interview that the Stoned Ape Theory proposed in Food of the Gods was “consciously propaganda”, as a way to persuade people that “drugs are natural, ancient and responsible for human nature” and not “…alien, invasive and distorting to human nature.” In other words, it was in a sense invented to promote his own agenda. Oh – you can't, no ways or means. Also, Fischer and McKenna were very close, McKenna even quoting Fischer as saying, "So here you have the proof that a drug can show you a truer picture of reality!" Interestingly in 2006, it was noted by Sharif, Kelly, and McLaughlin that 5-HT2a agonists, of which psilocybin is one, reduce intraocular pressure meaning…. The ensnared are pretty much left helpless, no cards up their sleeve against the hazard of any close encounter with inconvenient truth – its a big lame con. Is McKenna’s theory ignored for a good reason, namely because it is unscientific and lacks evidence to support it? Magic mushroom have no more input than bananas into hominid evolution. The renowned mycologist Paul Stamets recognises that while the Stoned Ape Theory is not supported by proven facts, he argues [13:48] on the Joe Rogan Experience podcast that it is still a persuasive explanation of human evolution. Looking at the shamanic cave art that appear somehow all around the world in the period roughly 25-200 thousand years ago is fascinating. Similar to intelligent people wondering why a supposedly intelligent super-being would create our idiotic universe, people who reject psychedelic thinking probably wonder why magic mushrooms didn’t cause any other animals to … If you buy Terence McKenna’s Stoned Ape Theory, we are part of a giant evolutionary human casserole whose base is made of cream of mushroom soup. You think it's nonsense because there's no evidence, yet you don't want anyone to seek evidence because it's nonsense? Its like some naked emperor, "thinking" (if it can be called that) he's nawt naked! If mushrooms containing psilocybin were bountiful when plants were not available (I think they survive droughts and severe weather better than plants), eating them would HAVE to have a long term effect on my personality. "it is not supported by reliable evidence." “Dr Stent, my concern … is simply that I would like to know whether this theory has any validity or is simply fallacious.”, With a sigh of resignation that was heart sinking to his visitor he turned to me and spoke: “My dear young friend, these ideas are not even fallacious.” >. But… Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. But since you like c/p – here, from a reply you just got to your John Smithing – at that "Might Just Be" (linked). Both 'theories' - if one insists - have their believers - vocally insisting it can't be 'disproved' etc - and what an 'extremely compelling' case for it 'we' have (other than 'no hard evidence'). The Azores archipelago is about 1,000 miles off the coast of Europe, about a third of the way to North America across the Atlantic. And among those he entranced with 'such a theory' - turns out he was right. No - it was only to "convince people drugs were responsible for the emergence of large brain size and language" - those without a clue, who don't know better and - will never want to know, once they taste Terence's 'special' koolaid made from it. Its theatrical demand, stamping its feet for 'serious consideration – is not negotiable. Except for one thing: As poor Gunther Stent had to tell TM – read it and weep, TRUE HALLU Chap 15 (When Terence Met Gunther): "My young friend, your ideas are not even wrong.". Member. Look how much work he has put into each response. A story that begins 3.5 billion years ago, fungi makes the soil that supports life, connecting vast systems of roots from plants and trees all over the planet, like an underground Internet. The 'theory' can't be vindicated, there's no evidence that could prove it any more than Adam and Eve might be 'scientifically vindicated.'. By not just theorizing – Super Theorizing, invulnerable. It doesn't need to even have a point. I mean I appreciate the detail, but it is starting to come across as quite desperate.

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